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No.929 : Kate Azura [13/04/01(Mon)17:22] [Report] 1364851320843.jpg (22617 B, 300x300) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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I'm working on transistioning. Got a bunch of clothes, etc. But i wanna figure out how to make up. any tip? what products should?
Also any tip for a more femine figure without hrt yet. As i can not afford it atm

No.931 : januarygirl [13/04/03(Wed)14:15] [Report] []

I watch makeup tutorials on youtube for tips. I'd suggest starting with something as simple as the eyebrows, look for an eyebrow shaping guide on youtube (there are plenty). Framing your brows to suit your face makes a noticeable difference and is simple to do.

No.934 : dunkelkreuz [13/04/05(Fri)14:35] [Report] []


I would follow what january girl said plus, if you have cash to spare, i would advise you to sit in a mac counter/makeup artist and learn some.

Some of the good products for beginners, i have been told are urban decay and Mac. Also Avene is a good base foundation for all time use , only sold in drugstores in DE. Also I personally prefer bobby brown for a subtle look.

If you want to concentrate on only a few aspects, the as januarygirl said, i would start with eyebrows and eyeliners, followed by camouflage + foundation and cheekbone contourings.

Hope this helps and good luck.

No.973 : Anonymous [13/05/03(Fri)22:43] [Report] []
>can afford clothes
>cant afford whoremoans

No.970 : Anonymous [13/04/28(Sun)18:49] [Report] 1367189383948.jpg (708514 B, 2000x2000) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Hey people .. been thinking about trying out crossdressing for a while ... it's been a fetish for a lone while but I have never serously considered it before ..

Been thinking about buying a pair of panties or so, but where could I find a site that sells them? And stuff like maybe, those cute striped stockings that I see everywhere?

any recommendations of specific panties perhaps?

No.971 : pngbby [13/04/28(Sun)19:04] [Report] []

ebay is a pretty good place to check out for any of these things, pretty cheap and afforable

No.967 : pngbby [13/04/24(Wed)20:26] [Report] 1366849603877.jpg (4392 B, 87x355) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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it would appear that i had my first true prostate orgasm

using a vibrating prostate stimulator i ended up finding a spot that put me in a damn near out of body experience

it ended with my body convulsing and it felt as though i was ejaculating over and over again but i was shocked to find that nothing actually came out..absolutely incredible

anyone else experience this?

pic related, this is the toy that was used

No.968 : Anonymous [13/04/24(Wed)20:35] [Report] []

god damn, make a video next time

No.969 : pngbby [13/04/25(Thu)15:19] [Report] []

well lets just say i was not dressed nor shaved for the occasion

but it is definitely something i will be revisiting, hopefully, in the near future

No.961 : Anonymous [13/04/20(Sat)11:00] [Report] 1366470021997.png (367548 B, 600x600) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Alright, I've looked through the threads around here and some things online. Haven't been able to find any answer. Just, now... How is it possible to get such a clean, cute, smooth asshole? It's the one thing that's eluded me and I don't know how it's attainable. From the couple of people I have talked to, they just "had it" already, and didn't have to do anything.
Just, I guess mine is much more colored around the edge, and it's not nearly as smooth. The whole area is nothing like the rest of my ass, and it isn't anything compared to these. How do I get that smooth, clean, inviting asshole I want?

No.962 : Anonymous [13/04/20(Sat)11:53] [Report] []

here's the secrect: take low quality pictures of your asshole

No.963 : Anonymous [13/04/20(Sat)12:12] [Report] []

Nothing you can do about "pucker" but you can get the dark ring bleached,,,
Popular among porn stars..
local salon should do it..
having a dick might make it hard ot find a place that will touch you.. if your in a large metro city NY, TO, Cali your better off than in hoboken

No.965 : ☆Robertagrammaton☆ ##nuerJyS6 [13/04/20(Sat)18:37] [Report] []

I wonder if these people bleached, or used bidets or something.

No.897 : KrystalTheNeko [13/03/10(Sun)22:48] [Report] [SNAP] [Reply]

Any tips on someone who is new to all of this? I'm 21 and I've only just now let myself accept that this is what I've wanted for a very long time, in the last year and a half or so. From what I've been told, from friends of mine that I've told about my being trans, I'm not off to a bad start just with how my body naturally looks. But I don't know where to go from here, any tips or help would be amazing. I'd do anything for help. I'm so lost in all this.. And of course, if I get the results I'm looking for I'll always post them up here to show them off for you, for helping me~ <3

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No.952 : januarygirl [13/04/11(Thu)19:53] [Report] []


You don't have to take hormones to feminize your body. There are other things you can do to alter your appearance, laser hair removal being one of them. There are other alternatives that should be explored and undertaken if desired. Please remember that transition isn't just one path that every person strictly follows. Although having HRT does help in feminizing the masculine form.

I use a number of websites to help me out. Here are a few:

The last link redirects you to a yahoo group for self-medicating. Of interest, I've been reading a very good e-book concerning transition, it's especially informative for those considering or just beginning.
Buy the e-book! You'll thank me later <_<

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No.953 : KrystalTheNeko [13/04/12(Fri)00:12] [Report] []


Thank you so much! I know hormones arent the ONLY way. I feel from the way i look I already have a SOMEWHAT feminine body, and I feel like they might be the best way. I'm certainly buying the e-book. i'm charging my tablet as I type this so I can buy it on my kindel app. I don't know what I could do to ever repay you for any of this <3

No.954 : januarygirl [13/04/12(Fri)10:54] [Report] []

You're very welcome! ^_^

When it comes to research, I find the problem isn't so much to do with finding any information as it is with using the right sources. I hope it helps! And yes, if HRT feels like the right step for you then go for it!

No.920 : januarygirl [13/03/24(Sun)09:21] [Report] [SNAP] [Reply]

So I've been reading different threads on the self/tips section asking for advice on self-medication, acceptance and other aspects of transition.

Rather than answering each one individually (which is time-consuming if it's the same question), I think this link might be a good start for those of you who don't know where to begin and/or are hopelessly anxious.

Take the time to read each article. Also, reading the Standards of care (SoC) guidelines is another good place to answer any questions you have. Hope it helps!

No.948 : januarygirl [13/04/11(Thu)09:42] [Report] []

Voice work is important!

Here's another link for you to enjoy and practice your voice.

No.928 : Anonymous [13/03/30(Sat)16:00] [Report] 1364673634357.jpg (570348 B, 1952x3264) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Hi! My name is Lexi, and I recently restarted my hrt regime, after many years in the closet, I am finally on the road to being myself, problem is that my confidence in myself and my ability to even crossdress, I feel are horrible. So, I turn to you for advice. Please help.

No.937 : dunkelkreuz [13/04/05(Fri)15:04] [Report] []


First, congrats on whoremoans,

No.939 : dunkelkreuz [13/04/05(Fri)15:06] [Report] []


>problem is that my confidence in myself and my ability to even crossdress

OP, not all of us were crossdresser before taking mones. if you do not have courage take the andro path. dress androgynously for a couple of months before moving full time.

As for low confidence, I have seen girls become more social and outgoing with hormones and then again i also saw girls who are still socially shy even with hrt. I guess it depends on the individual. But if you want to make a change and go out as yourself soon but scared here are a few tips:

             1. Try getting the help of a close female acquaintance.
           2. Dress androgynously.
        3. try assimilating into local  goth hangouts, those folks usually tolerate everyone.
        4. Hit off to local fetish scene (though i won't advice it if you are looking for full time)
          5. try a bit of camwhoring or, tinychat at some trans/trap  oriented rooms and see how the response goes.

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No.930 : januarygirl [13/04/03(Wed)14:12] [Report] [SNAP] [Reply]
The link is an interesting and enlightening discussion on the use of "herbal medicines" in transition.

Note: I do NOT advocate the use of phytoestrogens as "natural hormones" as the effects are minimal (even at high doses, which can be accompanied by toxicity) and the idea that herbals are safer because they are "natural" is just plainly idiotic.

However, I do promote and suggest that people understand what they are putting into their bodies. So here you go, happy reading.

No.873 : pngbby [13/02/07(Thu)05:36] [Report] 1360233373792.jpg (129836 B, 1011x1500) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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anyone else experience anal orgasms? ive been playing with a dildo regularly and twice now ive had verryy intense, whole body sorta orgasms with no ejaculation but intense pleasure with my entire body shaking

tryin to think about if i should get a longer or wider dildo to keep this up..i just moved up to a 7 inch that is somewhat thin

either way it is incredible

No.916 : Anonymous [13/03/21(Thu)20:35] [Report] []

That's a good one OP. Good luck.

No.912 : Anonymous [13/03/17(Sun)11:19] [Report] 1363533591553.jpg (1804773 B, 5184x3456) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Hello everybody,I'm seeking for serious advice here.
Let's begin the story : I'm your typical Alpha male, doing martial art since being 6y/o and always doing manly things like riding motorcycle and drinking alcohol with buddies.
However,it's like I don't find my real self. I have this little side who secretly tell me every night that I wish to be a woman. And being endoctrined since so young,I just wake up every morning wiping theses thoughts away. It's like I constantly balance myself between my image as a male and what I wish to be as a woman,very difficult to explain.
So,now,I'm 23 and I decided to seriously question myself about that. What do you think I should do? Should I go see a therapist? Any way to find what I really want?

Pic related,it's me cross dressing one year ago. I used a stupid excuse to do it in public and every one told me I was really great. Never be able to do it again since then.

No.913 : dunkelkreuz [13/03/17(Sun)12:00] [Report] []

alpha male? not surprising, a fraction of mtfs did overcompensation before taking the path. (Not implying you are mtf or anything)

Well a therapist might be able to help you but don't expect miracles to happen. They are humans and prone to presumptions. A trained therapist can provide you pointers but at the end of the day, the decision will be yours to make. A therapist can never decide for you.

Having mentioned that, ask yourself the question what aspect of you alpha male life you hate and also ask what aspect of you alpha male life can you not carry out when you transition.

Finally ask yourself the question, if you want to go all the way or if you are comfortable with being a girl only for a few hours a week.

Hope this helps.

No.914 : Anonymous [13/03/18(Mon)05:04] [Report] []

Thank for your reply
Well,you're totally right,the choice is mine. But since I feel a bit like there's two people in me,it's quite difficult to make this choice!
Crossdressing only few hours a week is out : For now I'm too much built and muscular to do that without feeling ashamed.
If possible,I wanna make a decision before turning 25. So,while I still have time, I really need to focus on that.
Anyway,still taking any useful advice!

No.910 : Anonymous [13/03/15(Fri)21:41] [Report] [SNAP] [Reply]

Would it ever be possible for me to pass? I'm still a bit shy so I dont want to post any pics yet but for reference if you imagined a lumberjack i look pretty similar to that. I recently decided that I want to transition, I've always really wanted to but the only thing always holding me back is my body. I am 28, 6'3", pretty overweight (but I plan on losing alot of weight before I officially transition), hairy everywhere, have a 46" chest (mostly rib, wouldnt go down alot with weight loss), a big head, thick neck, size 12W feet, big hands, and have some pretty nasty male pattern baldness (big bald spot on the top of my head, thinning hair elsewhere on top, thick hair on the sides). Basically seems to me to be a TGs worst nightmare.

Does anyone know what kind of battle I can expect? Would it ever be possible for me to pass? This isn't really a deciding factor but if I knew that I would eventually be able to pass, even if it takes alot of work, it would really set my mind at ease.

No.911 : dunkelkreuz [13/03/16(Sat)12:50] [Report] []

Hi OP, i can understand your anxiety but eventhough you are good with the verbal description, not everyone of us have the same imagination capacity, so pic is more worthy than words here.

No.904 : ulan [13/03/13(Wed)19:03] [Report] 1363215819716.jpg (412472 B, 1600x1200) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Not sure if this is the right board, but hai you can call me Ulan

I'm using this photo(3/13/13) as base point of my transition, something I've been wanting to do for a very long time but have been putting off. This is me at 19 using a masculine identity

I hope to start HRT by the end of this summer -- before I turn 20 -- but before then I have to start pampering my body. I'm 6'3(6'4?) and somewhere around 145ish pounds? Well, square one for me is to gain some weight, I think. Which is something that I've never really been able to do. But now that I have my goals in sight I've been making a habit to do sets of 20 squats, bicycle crunches, and push ups; usually when I brush my teeth. I don't know what sort of regimen I should be doing through diet or exercise, though

Next off would be my skin, I have several stretch marks on my back from simply growing and a scattering of keloid scars on my side and hip from an accident. Are there any particular types or brands of cream that you would all recommend for scars? Other than that what moisturizers and lotions do you think are good? I get hangnails all the time so I really want to baby my hands and my skin

And my last goal for the month would be dealing with my hair, I rarely shave below my neck because my hair gets ridiculously bristly when its short. I've used baby powder to limited success. Not to mention that the back of the thighs and into the cheeks is such an awkward angle to shave. When my next paycheck comes in I'm thinking of getting a list of all the things I need to get from the right shave gel, good shampoo, moisturizer, etc

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No.906 : dunkelkreuz [13/03/14(Thu)05:32] [Report] []


Considering the fact that you post in 420chan has been hijacked by turks vs finn/magya history buff and valium vs mirtazaphine dopes, i decided to post my response here.

  1. YOU DO NOT NEED TO GAIN WEIGHT. without delving into the exact details here is the brief outline.
    a). be at the end of BMI before starting HRT.(which you are.)
    b) 8-10 months on HRT, gain as much weight as possible. This isn't the difficult step.
    c) Loose those extra weight you gained with rigorous exercise.
    e) end up with the body of a super model.
optional: Do corset training, if you have the zeal during the first 6 months.

2. HRT will make your skin better, but keep it moisturized always.

3. depending on your skin tone, get yourself an expensive laser or a mechanical epilator. Epilator leaves a lot of ingrown hair so not highly desirable. HRT will thin out your hair but only a little don't expect miracles. Especially pubic hair will grow at the same rate almost. body hairs will get finer by a little. If you aim for complete body hair removal, the only suggestion i would say is to set aside a fraction of monthly income to pay an electrologist. or get one of those cheap DIY electrolysis kits. Warning: The are not very durable, so be prepared to shell out moolah on them.

No.907 : ulan [13/03/14(Thu)11:42] [Report] []

Huh, I would think that the process would be more about keeping in good shape. But that makes sence. Also, corset training? :S I would but holy cow does that sound intimidating, I'm not sure if that would do well for my already twiggy body xD

Buuuut, I can see how a corset make my hips look better. What should I look for in a corset, etc?

I'm not trying to gain that much weight, though, probably 10 will do if I can even get there before I start HRT. While it hasn't been the most intense workout I've been doing squats a ton

Cleared the thickets for the first time in a while earlier, I usually hate the bristliness razor shaving gives me. Though right now its my armpits that are being a huge pain, yay for baby powder

I'll check out some Epilators tomorrow, hopefully they won't be too bad with ingrown hairs

No.909 : dunkelkreuz [13/03/15(Fri)05:00] [Report] []


Okay , It was my mistake that i did now fully explain why i suggested that training regime for hrt. So here i would just briefly explain why. With HRT, most girls will gain weight easily, and infact gaining weight with hrt is inevitable.

If you are at the lower end of BMI, it would be easier to gain weight with HRT. But if you have already gained weight, the common opinion is HRT redistributes the fat and makes you passable easily. This is totally incorrect. This is something that depends on your metabolism. You need to burn the extra fat and recreate it at other parts. this is how the exact process of HRT redistributing fat works.

Let me explain it in this way: If you gain weight now, all the fat would settle down as for a typical male body and once you start hrt, you need to burn the extra fat and hrt will create the fat elsewhere to make you appear feminine but if you don't have much fat and skinny, hrt will still make you gain weight but the new fats will be directly deposited as it would be for any natal female gaining weight. So you decide, which one is easier on your body, destroying and recreating elsewhere or just creating it .

Corsets: Avoid waist cinchers but try underbreast steelboned training corsets. Also if you can try sleeping in them. Really hard but pays off. and do go too tight at the begining even if you feel that you can.

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No.888 : Anonymous [13/03/05(Tue)04:19] [Report] 1362475179402.jpg (54512 B, 500x500) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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i am in a weird state, while i am obsessed with the idea of transitioning I dont think I have the balls to ever fully committ (or the cash) but I feel as though I am still young enough (im 24) to experience the benefits of hrt, more feminine appearance, smoother skin, more feminine shape etc but I dont think I will ever go to a doctor for a prescription and self medication is out of the question for me, too risky.

so i guess the reason I am here is for any advice or suggestions on what to do. I want a more feminine figure and I feel the only way to do this is through hrt. Can a low dose hrt regimen give me similar results (feminine shape) or do I have to go all the way? are there any other supplements i can take to achieve a more feminine shape (besides working out and dieting) or is hrt pretty much the only way?

please help, I feel like I am going insane!

No.779 : Anonymous [12/10/26(Fri)19:40] [Report] 1351294827447.jpg (96343 B, 336x403) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Doing this again.

I just bought my first 'attire' but as I was kind of in a rush I forgot about a shirt and shoes.
I just bought a skirt like pic related and matching/combining socks and panties because I'm that silly.

What can I use with this?

No.887 : Anonymous [13/03/01(Fri)00:53] [Report] []

I find long sleeved collared shirts look good on both sexes. Or tight t-shirts.

Shoes... well if you have generic tennis shoes, they look pretty unisex generally, and have the added bonus of fitting. Boots too.

No.868 : Anonymous [13/01/30(Wed)12:30] [Report] 1359567024003.jpg (710194 B, 1920x1080) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Anyone have any tips for dealing with receeding hair at the temples? Is a wig the only option? Is there anything that actually works to get hair to grow normal again? If i were to start hrt would that have any impact? This hairline is the thing that's really bothering me right now...

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No.882 : Anonymous [13/02/19(Tue)11:59] [Report] []

Finasteride and dutasteride are prescribed to non-trans guys for male-pattern baldness. Yeah, they can be included as part of HRT too, but it's just a testosterone blocker, not actually hormones. You could try that.

No.883 : januarygirl [13/02/27(Wed)00:18] [Report] []

I can confirm this.

I started losing hair at the temples and hairline at a relatively young age due to male-pattern baldness. Globally, hair was also thinning rapidly due to poor nutrition.

I started to take finasteride and spironolactone 8 months ago and I've noticed some nice changes so far. The texture of my hair has definitely altered to a satisfactory level, it hasn't returned to its thickness before hair fall but I'm quite happy with the progress so far.

Maintaining a good haircare regimen will -without a doubt- improve the health of your hair and scalp. Use a good shampoo and conditioner suited for your hair type (do some research on what works best for you) and moisturise your scalp on a weekly basis. Good luck :)

No.885 : Anonymous [13/03/01(Fri)00:39] [Report] []

HRT stops male pattern baldness.

But it does not restart already lost hair.

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Anyone starting out, trying to get rid of the hair on your body. DO NOT USE THIS ON YOUR BALLS REGION!

Very serious. It fucking hurts. chemical burns aren't nice. It drew blood, especialy around stretchmarks, and i'm missing about 4 square inches of the top layer of my skin on my left thigh by my balls.
Also, if you make this mistake, DON'T immediatly apply lotion. It just makes the pain worse.

TLDR: wimper

No.879 : Anonymous [13/02/14(Thu)06:40] [Report] []

Fuuuuuck. That's terrible.
I was JUST about to buy the regular Nair Cream for use pretty much everywhere...
Have you tried other creams or other Nair products?
Do you do know of any safe to use on the balls?Please post back and let us know!

No.881 : Anonymous [13/02/14(Thu)17:14] [Report] 1360880086393.jpg (15548 B, 300x300) [YIS] [GIS] []
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Hey, I've used creams before they do work ok tbh though you have to use a fair amount and on top of that most creams directly tell you to not use them anywhere in the crotchal region :3
I reccomend shaving for down there :P
I know people have said it time and time again on here, I don't really reccomend creams, good for hard to reach areas but doesnt really save time and I felt like shaving left my legs smoother :3

No.844 : zoeychan [13/01/07(Mon)16:22] [Report] 1357593769701.jpg (61801 B, 309x800) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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Hey girls,

I've been working on appearing like a girl when I go out with my friends (we go to more TG-safe places for now, like gay bars), but I still feel like I'm obvious. I'm not sure if it's just the fact that I instinctively know what I look like therefore I just look like me with make up and girls' clothes on or if I'm missing something. I want to hone in on what I AM missing. I know I don't look as feminine as I can, I think I have a decent canvas to work with (face and bodywise), I just don't know what I'm missing to take it to a really convincing level.

What I do know:
-- Need thinner eyebrows
-- Voice, not deep, but still an instant tell
-- More suitable makeup (my girlfriends are helping me out with this)
-- More work on my eyes, I don't know what though, falsies?

I have more pictures in a thread in /cam/cross-dressing/ for reference.

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No.862 : zoeychan [13/01/27(Sun)01:07] [Report] 1359266844129.jpg (105608 B, 640x480) [YIS] [GIS] []
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Thanks Tess for the advice! I've been thinking about maybe doing a video journal or something to go over it. Especially with me working on my voice as I think I might have something right going here with that.

I'm curious about meds because I want to start them soon, but I have a lot going on right now in my life. I have a fiance, two part-time jobs and 5 graduate level classes! lol

No.864 : zoeychan [13/01/27(Sun)01:19] [Report] 1359267575141.jpg (69905 B, 360x480) [YIS] [GIS] []
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Also, I've always had kinda-boobs my whole life as well as a quasi-hourglass body shape (I think the actual term is "spoon", meaning I don't have the bust to be an hourglass body type) and I always felt like me being a boy was "wrong" so I feel like I'm going in the right direction and doing the right thing. I do sometimes worry that my friends that I love will react to me differently as a girl (a la the phrase "girls hate girls"). But at the same time, right now, I have their full support so I guess there's not too much to worry about there. It's still a concern as they're what keeps me through this.

Ahh well it's nice just to talk about it.

No.865 : Tess V [13/01/28(Mon)18:55] [Report] 1359417349445.jpg (92075 B, 695x888) [YIS] [GIS] []
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I'm just starting voice training, which is gonna be hard for me (my natural F0 is about 80-100Hz and I have bad range). On the other hand, I'm a linguist specializing in phonetics, so at least I have good control over my resonance (which more or less maps to phonation type).

Also, I'm about to get a real job that pays well, so I'm going to start getting my facial hair removed once I have money coming in.

It's actually kind of funny about female friends, since my closest ones definitely don't tend to have female friends, but we all get along really well. On the other hand, we all have some strongly butch tendencies...

If you want to chat or whatever, email me or look me up on skype!

No.824 : Greenwich Villager [12/12/06(Thu)05:17] [Report] 1354789040732.jpg (151175 B, 800x600) [YIS] [GIS] [SNAP] [Reply]
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I'm curious. Is anyone interested in tranny history?

Stonewall was back in the late 1960s. This was a gay bar in NYC that cops decided to pounce upon. One procedure in the raid was described as follows in Wikipedia:

"Standard procedure was to line up the patrons, check their identification, and have female police officers take customers dressed as women to the bathroom to verify their sex, upon which any men dressed as women would be arrested. Those dressed as women that night refused to go with the officers. Men in line began to refuse to produce their identification. The police decided to take everyone present to the police station, after separating those cross-dressing in a room in the back of the bar. Maria Ritter, who was known as Steve to her family, recalled, "My biggest fear was that I would get arrested. My second biggest fear was that my picture would be in a newspaper or on a television report in my mother's dress!"[54] Both patrons and police recalled that a sense of discomfort spread very quickly, spurred by police who began to assault some of the lesbians by "feeling some of them up inappropriately" while frisking them."

The gay people proceeded to make fun of the police, and then a butch lesbian started resisting arrest several times. A cop supposedly whacked her on the head, whereupon she told the crowd to "do something", so they did something.

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No.827 : Anonymous [12/12/09(Sun)19:17] [Report] []

One absolutely does have interest, thank you for posting this.

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No.854 : Anonymous [13/01/15(Tue)00:18] [Report] []

The Stonewall Riots are super important to not just T's but the LGBQ folks as well.
I love Christopher St!!! Bongs, leather, bars, what's not to love.


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